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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:54 pm 
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In section 3 of the MSVA Manual it says all vehicles in Section 2 will require a MAC except vehicles over 10 years old (last but one in the list). Having read it several times I am asking if anyone can clarify the following: Does it mean that if the kit was purchased over 10 years ago it is ineligible for MSVA
In my case Heavy Quad.
And before anyone asks, yes I am still building it, it is close to completion and about to go to the weigh bridge and rolling road for a power (or lack of power) test and associated print out.
I have to have it roadworthy and reliable before June next year or it is going to cost me a fortune in posh fizzy stuff, never wager when you are drunk

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:24 pm 
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Hi Chris,
Long time since that memorable run up Prescott in 2011!

Still building that heavy quad!? IMHO I thnk that the regs are trying to say that an un-presented buuild is not "backwards compatible" (i.e subject to the regs in place when the 'package ' was bought). I expect the interpretation to be that however old the "starter" package might be, it will have to qualify under the regulations currently in force at the time of presentation for testing ( and here I have to say that I have 2 builders who were aiming at SVA on completion of the 2 cars, but for various reasons, have yet to complete and present the cars). I expect they will now have to meet current IVA requirements.

Mark Vickers at VOSA is the 4 wheel "technical Inspector" in overall charge and the person I would ask. (mark.vickers@vosa.co.uk , before you ask).

Go on, Chris, you can do this!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:06 pm 
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I notice in P A G Technical Section - Data Sheet, that the msva manual pdf is the 2010 version. Could this be upgraded to the 2014 copy?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:24 pm 
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Hi Mike,
Still plugging away at it. Been a lot of things happening and hence garage time has been limited. It now looks like a Brooklands with all bits in place and working for MSVA.
I will await a response from VOSA, meanwhile I will change my holiday reading to the other manual to see what extras need to be done. From memory it's the cockpit and soft rounded bits, head restraints which will be a pain. It will get done!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:25 pm 
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Chris, in your last post you refer to head restraints - I do not believe that they are necessary for MSVA. Likewise, there are no sharp edge rules for anything inside of the cockpit. You may be looking for work unnecessarily. Forgive me if I am totally out of date...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:50 pm 
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Hi Andy,
My issue is the car is over 10 years old and may not be eligible for MSVA. Hence the need to go IVA. If I have to go that way at least there will be other engine options once it is tested and on the road.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:03 pm 
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Chris James wrote:
In section 3 of the MSVA Manual it says all vehicles in Section 2 will require a MAC except vehicles over 10 years old (last but one in the list). Having read it several times I am asking if anyone can clarify the following: Does it mean that if the kit was purchased over 10 years ago it is ineligible for MSVA
In my case Heavy Quad.
And before anyone asks, yes I am still building it, it is close to completion and about to go to the weigh bridge and rolling road for a power (or lack of power) test and associated print out.
I have to have it roadworthy and reliable before June next year or it is going to cost me a fortune in posh fizzy stuff, never wager when you are drunk

Chris


My interpretation is:

The MAC is the document that the MSVA (or IVA) test generates. I think what section 3 says is, if the vehicle is over 10 years old (imported from somewhere perhaps), it doesn't need a MAC - in other words it doesn't need an MSVA test.
But a kit car is not a vehicle until it is completed so, if your kit is over 10 years old, it doesn't let you off the MSVA!

Cheers, Robin

PS - I work for a French company and often have to interpret French technical docs. It's a lot easier than trying to interpret the MSVA manual lol.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:11 pm 
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Robin,
Like you I plough over regulations, U.K ones and struggle at times. At times the regulator forgets the intent of the regulation which makes it even harder. No intent of avoiding a test just need to ensure I book the correct one.


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